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that john boehner is having a hard time to get them to agree to his packages like plan b out here. we don't know how much out here in the public things have changed since last week, but it seemed like president obama was saying something that he was planning to say if it came down to the last few days. >> joy, is this the same kind of negotiation we saw in the first term? >> well, richard, one of the things that you didn't see the president do is to offer a new plan and he is laying the debacle at the feet squarely on congress and for the all to see where the dysfunction lies and the president helped himself by making offers that even his base was uncomfortable with, because it is fair to everyone that he is reasonable and trying to make the offers and that the intransigence is on the other side and he is expressing proper proper properlyly the frustration of the american people. >> and now it moves to mitch mcconnell from harry reid. and we have sound from mitch mcconnell on the house floor and harry reid. >> we had a good discussion with the majority leader with the hopes to come forwar
. chairman, the president campaigned on 250,000 went up to 400 single, 450 double. but boehner was at a million. boehner went down 550,000. so it's according to whether you want to count from the top down or the bottom up. both sides gave and i think the other side gave a little more. but governor, when it comes down to the debt ceiling that the chairman just referred to, president gave a warning to republicans. watch this. >> i will not have another debate with this congress over whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up through the laws that they passed. let me repeat. we can't not pay bills that we've already incured. >> sounds like he's pretty strong and stern on that. what dooungs, governor? >> he is and he ought to be. the last time, it was an international disgrace, not just a national disgrace, but an international disgrace. we shouldn't play politics with that. we owe this money. we've got to pay it. we've got o to have the funds to pay it. i think the sequester comes up in two months, probably a week or two before the debt ceiling. we're going
it passed through the chamber and send it to the house. house speaker boehner made it clear he had not move first. he wants to see the senate act. the ball is now in the senate's court for all intents and purposes. >> sam, isn't it a bit late in the day to be playing this game of chick snn. >> i don't know what constitutes late in the day at this juncture. i guess we have a few more days, a couple more hours here. i think there's a general consensus we probably will hit the cliff, but that doesn't mean they can't hurry and get something done a day after, two days after, do it retroactively. the hit that would be felt by families would be minimum in that case. a lot of negotiations. we'll see what mcconnell and reid can pick up and forge together. >> nbc news has been reporting that the president's holding firm to this position of not cutting taxes for people earning more than $250,000 a year. you've been talking to republicans all day. will republicans vote for a plan that looks like the president's first offer, $250,000? >> republican senators specifically were really looking for a $400,00
with most members of congress still in their home district, speaker boehner put that ball in the senate's court. harry reid tossed it right back. are we looking at another lost day in the negotiations? hitching a right on air force one, the new senator from hawaii and it's not what we expected it to be. here we go again. the president in washington and another deadline. secretary geithner warns we will hit the debt ceiling even before we tumble over the fiscal cliff. good morning from washington. it is thursday, december 27th. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert. two days after christmas and washington is back to work trying to harsh out a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the senate will get back from the session after holiday break. the president is expected to arrive back to the white house without his family to get back to twork mework to meet the loo deadline. mike is at the white house. let's start with you. the consensus around the hill is that we are more likely than not to go over the fiscal cliff, but there is a small chance harry reid could take a house pass bill and
scratching your head over why speaker boehner asked the caucus to vote for raising taxes and promising them that the senate wouldn't bother signing the bill anyway? left you wondering why anyone signs a dock tenant goes against their fiber, document to be used against them with the constituents? about the darn thing was d.o.a. in the senate i? way. the republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it and own the national debt. own the defense cut. instead, boehner and the gang allow the president to star in his own superhero film. he will cut the hawaiian vacation short and come back to save us mere mortal from the fiscal cliff. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how did you get the ball back from the republicans? they had it. this was obama's economy, his face calf cliff. now boehner fails on the vote and next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> juan: i think you are right. i think boehner at the moment looking weaker. he is out of this altogether at the moment. his troops abandoned him. he is
their taxes go up. the news comes after a conference call that mr. boehner held with gop house members, telling them to return to washington this sunday. but just because they're coming back doesn't mean they're looking to play nice. today, senator harry reid blasted the speaker for refusing to even vote on a democratic plan that would protect 98% of americans. >> everyone knows that if they had brought up the house -- i'm sorry, the senate-passed bill that would give relief to everyone making less than $250,000 a year, it would pass overwhelmingly. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. >> a dictatorship of the speaker. and here's house speaker boehner office responded. senator reid should talk less and legislate more. legislate more? what legislation has speaker boehner been working on while on vacation? while we're about to go over the cliff, the gop has been pointing fingers at the president. one gop aide says talks have failed because "the president made a strategic miscalculation and overreached. he picked a fight." picked a fight? sorry, that's not going to fly.
operated with a dictator ship of the speaker. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on footing. >> john boehner's office fired back -- senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. >>> the president gets set to land in washington this hour. there's new word that the president has called all four congressional leaders. reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hur
to this point? taking you back to last week, you remember john boehner tried to get that alternative bill through the house. his own bill. he didn't have the support to do it. it fell apart. now things are in the senate and it will be up to harry reid and mitch connell and the president to try to come to a compromise to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts that go into effect on the first of the year. president obama had been working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president
. the leadership has gone mum on that. we know there's not been communication between boehner and mcconnell, obama and boehner. are you amazed with this short amount of time to go there seems to be no sense of urgency on either side? >> am i amazed, given what we went through with the debt ceiling, no, i'm not amazed. i think there are forces here in this town that would like for us, sure people would like for there to be a deal, but going over the cliff on january 1st when there's this notion where it's not really a cliff, it's a slope, it's a curb depending who you talk to, that you can repair the damage if you get a deal done, you know, a few days after january 3rd. i think people feel like they can slow walk. as we saw last week when plan b failed, you know, speaker boehner said it's up to the white house and the democrats to come up with a deal. >> washing my hands with it. what's interesting is what you just touched on, conventional wisdom has grown now to it's a cliff, it's a cliff, we can't go off it, to we're okay for two to three weeks afterwards, the treasury can stay in place. do you t
conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. i just have to repeat. you know, outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern, over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repea
? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. negotiations with boehner he moved to $400,000. not if you have for boehner. he wanted it to be $1 million or more. that is something that can beer worked on. spending cuts the republicans want to see more sacrifice from the president. what they wanted to see in talks not just the small amount of spending cuts to shut off the sequester in the short-term. republicans want entitlement reform, medicare changes and that is nowhere in the deal. that is a major bone of contention. no matter what happens in three or four days, medicare reform, entitlement changes, big battle looming. >> that suggests that the democrats are steering the ship. thank you. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel standing by on capitol hill with the latest from that end of pennsylvania avenue. mike? >> good evening. coming out o a big white house meeting everybody agrees that the next step should be the senate taking the bipartisan action. so the pressure shifts to senate majority leader harry reid. and what he may be able to strike t
boehner's plan "b" failed. >> the key issue i think and the american people are catching on is that the problem that we have is we have a right wing political figure in the house way, way, way out of touch of what the american people are thinking. >>> there's early economic sinls that the uncertainty over the cliff may have clayed the role of scrooge this holiday season. early holiday numbers point to the worst year to year growth since 2008. >>> i think the president is steward of this economy needs to try to reach the big compromise with speaker boehner and the two men came very close. >> all right. let's check in and say good morning to nbc news correspondent mike vi cara now. >> they have indicated they would be back on the 27th and doing the math and take in to account the time zone differences, the president will be arriving back in washington. wheels down on the white house sometime in the late morning tomorrow. one problem, there won't be a house of representatives session. it appears to greet him when he gets back. and john boehner, the speaker out house, the ind
of representatives said, and i have it here somewhere, i don't want to be critical of john, meaning john boehner, but if you don't ever bring something to the floor without the votes. so this is what happened last thursday night where he brought this bill to the floor, his plan b, and it went nowhere. was that a major miscalculation for him? >> it was. look, denny was the speakner nea different time. he could hand out projects to districts of wavering members. and he had a very tough leadership team that went out and got the votes. boehner is not a strong leader. he doesn't have the pork and the earmarks anymore since they've been banned. and a lot of the incoming -- or the folks that came in in 2010, the tea party folks, they look at the tom delay are era and say -- >> they're both long time qulil wat capitol hill watchers, and we have to ask you are you seeing any sway now in following boehner? is he losing support? >> obviously the fact that he thought that he would be able to bring the bill last week to the floor to raise taxes on everybody making a million dollars or more and then had to pu
to receive a 48 hour heads up to return. john boehner said he refuses to call him back if there is no deal to vote on. he has given up hope and opting to work with senate democrats to push their bill from this past summer that extends rates on those less than $250,000. he failed to get his party behind a threshold and what are the odds this bill will pass. let's get the latest read on those not going on on capitol hill. luke, what is the latest? >> the latest is that there is aides i spoke to that think there is a 50-50 chance that the senate could get a small scale agreement on the floor the next few days and possibly be passed. that gets more and more unlikely as time goes by. harry reid is gauging interest with republican and democratic senators. he doesn't want to put anything on the floor that would not pass out of the senate. then he is asking republicans to vote for a tax increase for no reason. he wants assurances it would go down to the house floor and be gone for a vote. if that were to happen, you would see it passed out of the house with the democrats and as few as 30 or 40 rep
boehner's leadership as a dictatorship. not helpful. >>> but first, to your top stories this morning -- retired general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida, he's credited with devising the plan that drove saddam hussein's forces out of kuwait in 1991. known as stormin' norman for his strong personality. >>> the general said that he did agree with president george h.w. bush's decision not to follow saddam's decision into baghdad. >> ladies and gentlemen, when we here, we were 150 miles away from baghdad and there's nobody between us and bagsd. if our intention to take iraq, to destroy the country, if it had been our intention to overrun the country, we could have done it unopposed from this position at that time. >> schwarzkopf was honored for his service with the medal of freedom. queen elizabeth even awarded him with a knight hood. >>> former president george h.w. bush praised his leadership yesterday. general schwarzkopf is survived by his wife and three kids. he was 78 years old. >>> joining us now by phone, jack jacobs, medal of honor recipient and knew
obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without becoming dinner. it is all "happening now." harris: hello, everyone, i'm harris faulkner, in today for jenna lee. jon: nice to have you up here in the big studio instead of down in the newsroom. harris: good to be here. jon: i'm jon scott. there is deadly weather pounding the united states. a powerful winter storm bringing snow and driving rain to the northeast. blizzard conditions in some areas. it is the same system that brought winter storms and tornados to the south and midwest. at least 12 people have died in this system. we're seeing major travel problems today as well. some areas are getting slammed all night long. anna ko
hard for a deal, gregg. gregg: has the bickering between reid and boehner sort of poisoned the negotiations past the point that, you know, maybe this meeting will help at all? >> reporter: it may have because it's really, we've seen tensions escalate ever since before christmas when john boehner was not able to get a deal through the house where he has a very strong republican majority. he had a rebellion amongst some of his fellow conservatives. that is what held it up. senator harry reid as you say was very rough going directly after boehner yesterday. take a listen. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: the word dictatorship not sitting well at speaker's office of the as you can imagine his spokesman putting out a tough statement of his own saying quote, senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed le
was postponed. house speaker john boehner had quietly decided the house should not pass billions more in spending, the same night of the fiscal cliff battle over the government's deficit. stunned democrats and republicans could not believe that their hometown suffering could be ignored. >> this is time to stop debating and take the gloves off. jersey style. >> i think it's inexcusable that we did not have this vote. >> even boehner's allies, like new york republican peter king revolted. >> we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. >> reporter: the outrage reverberated from his hawaii vacation, the president phoned the governors of new york and new jersey. >> 66 days and counting. shame on you. shame on congress. >> reporter: in his blunt style, new jersey's governor chris christie said congress betrayed them. >> there is no reason for me at the moment to believe anything they tell me. >> reporter: under intense pressure, boehner quickly reelected. he members with members from the northeast and they got results. a vote on some emergency aid this f
recently, house speaker john boehner and president obama each made important concessions. the president on entitlement spending. speaker boehner on upper income tax rates. speaker boehner, though, could not get conservative republicans to go along and seemed at a loss on what to do next. >> we can't cut our way to prosperity. we need real economic growth. many of us believe on both sides of the aisle on the fundamental reform of the tax code will help us get our economy moving faster and put more americans back to work. and more americans on the tax rolls. how we get there, god only knows. >> president obama, meantime, seemed to lose patience. no sign he's eager to go off the cliff, but he's also not ready, either, to get in his words, what he'll get for free when the bush tax cuts expire tuesday morning. democratic lawmakers, though, are more willing to let that and everything else happen and both sides are still pointing fingers. take a look at mitch mcconnell and harry reid just this afternoon. >> you'll excuse me if i'm a little frustrated at the situation. >> republican leader find
-called plan b failed in the house, john boehner, speaker of the house said, look, it's up to the senate. we'll not do anything more. we already passed a bill a while back that would extend bush tax cuts for everybody. it is up to the senate to do something. you have senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, the republican saying it is up to the democrats to do something. we'll not do anything until president obama and the democrats come up with a plan and president obama actually late yesterday did call all four leaders, majority, minority leaders in the house and senate that includes mitch mcconnell and said the first time a democrat called him since thanksgiving to talk about this. so they're talking but there is no indication anybody is actually doing anything right now. gregg: what about harry reid? what's his, does he have anything at all maybe towards the end of the week he will put on the table? i've been hearing he will put to a vote an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody making under $250,000 a year, extend unemployment benefits for some 2 million people that are about to lose
early everything that is coming out of d.c. is about blame. not answers. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to washington today. he shouldn't have let them go in fact. they are not here. they are not here. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here. a lot of finger pointing and no answers as i said and just days remaining until tax increases and spending cuts all kick in and we all feel the pain. mike emanuel live with the news for us tonight on capitol hill. top democrats seem to be suggesting they cannot cut a deal without republican he
: well, you know what, peter? there's not lost love between boehner and president obama. are they going to meet? >> reporter: they might, gregg. the speaker is expected to return to washington soon but we still don't know of a specific time set aside on his calendar to meet with the president. actually the last we heard from the speaker he said that since voters in november picked republicans to control the house, he is going to stay true to his party's principles in december in the course of making any kind of a compromise. >> the american people reelected president obama on election day. they also reelected a republican majority here in the house. in doing so they gave us all a mandate. it was not a mandate to raise taxes on families and small businesses. it was a mandate to work together to begin solving the massive debt that threatens our country's future. >> reporter: the house and the senate will both be back in session tomorrow and the president has said he expects them to quickly vote to pass legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff, if, he and the speaker are able to make a deal b
60% of us to vote for this deal, it will be hard for boehner to get it through the house. i want to vote for it even though i won't like it because the country has a lot at stake. >> among the republican krengs any revenue generated by a potential deal, they would like to see it come do paying down the deficit, not new government spending. shannon? >> how confident are the "cook's essentialsal" democrats about the ability to get this done? >> reporter: congressional democrats do not sound over confident. they recognize this is a heavy lift between the top two senators in the next couple of hours. but a leading new york democrat sounded cautiously optimistic. >> there is certainly no breakthroughs yet between senator mcconnell and senator reid. but there is a real possibility of a deal. i have been a legislator for 37 years. and i have watched how these things work. they almost always happen at the last minute. >> reporter: we are getting down to the left minute. the threshold for extending the bush tax cuts. president obama campaigned campn capping it at $250,000, raising taxes o
connell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he doesn't see how it can get done by january 1st. we heard from president obama before he left from his vacation that he was optimistic. logistically the white house will tell you it's possible. when you listen to what you're hearing some of these congressional leaders say, there's a lot of posturing laying blame to the other side if we do go over the cliff. take a listen. >> republicans are not about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies, watching their kids play soccer, basketball, doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> now, house speaker john boehner is saying the senate needs to just take up a house pass bill that has already passed t
in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate. but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit. as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> you talk about a dysfunction in washington. you signed this legislation setting up the fiscal cliff 17 months ago. how accountable are you for the fact that washington can't get anything done and we're at this deadline again? >> well, i have to tell you, david, if you look at my track record over the last two years, i cut spending by over $1 trillion in 2011. i campaigned on the promise of being willing to reduce the deficit in a serious way, in a balanced approach of spending cuts and tax increases on the wealthy, while keeping middle-class taxes low. i put forward a very specific proposal to do that. i negotiated with speaker boehner in good faith and moved more than halfway in order to achieve a grand bargain. i offered over $1 trillion in additional spending cuts. so that we would have $2 of spending cuts for every
't filibuster over here that he would support and that boehner would support if it were reasonable. but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very curious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. i mean, what's going on here? mr. president, you can't legislate with yourself. we have nobody to work with, to compromise. that's what legislation is all about, is the ability to compromise. the republicans in the house have left town. the negotiations between the president and the speaker have fallen apart as they have for the last 3 1/2 years. we've tried mightily to get something done. i'll just go over what the little drill here, mr. president, to remind everyone how unreasonable the republicans have been. senator conrad and jeb gray came up with a proposal. commission would be appointed, appoint back to us, no filibusters, no amendments, yes or no. and we did a great job and we closed two bases over two different cycles saving the country hundreds and billions of dollars here. so w
and nancy pelosi leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. no deal can be reached in past without their cooperation. with the meeting comes a glimmer of hope. in the past all the ifisical cliff talks meetings like this have been the least productive of all. whether he meant to or not the senate majority leader may have spoken for a nation exhausted by seemingly endless fiscal cliff negotiations. >> what's going on here? >> reporter: what indeed. president obama returned to the white house in a grim mood. he met with no congressional leaders and said nothing about his efforts to avert the fiscal cliff, talks continue between senior white house and congressional staff, but that's been true throughout this entire saga. with the deadline looming there were dire predictions. >> come the first of this year americans will have less income than they have today. >> reporter: and recriminations. >> now republicans have bent over backwards. we stepped way, way out of our comfort zone. we wanted an agreement. but we had no takers. >> reporter: the senate's top dem
: not so fast. house speaker john boehner and his gop lawmakers might not go along. boehner sent house members home to celebrate the new year without a vote to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> listen, this is disgusting. and everybody involved should be embarrassed. >> reporter: the economy could still take a hit. while the house takes up maybe later today whether to follow the senate's lead and hike taxes on the wealthy. from capitol hill, steve handelsman, nbc news. bill, back to you. >> reaction to the senate's move was swift as many people were still up welcoming the new year. familiar faces on msnbc were in rare form starting with joe scarborough who tweeted, why can't washington ever put together a deal that cults spent? this deal fails on most counts. it's a distressing failure of leadership. "morning joe" regular steve ratner tweeted, the only thing worse than this deal would have been no deal, or maybe not, he added. ezra kline wrote, obama isn't making it easier for res to vote for this deal but probably thinks if the rs kill it they get all the fiscal cliff blame. >>> now deals on
. this is going to be in their hands at this point. john boehner is like we've got to look at things. it's not going to happen overnight. >> it seems like a couple of weeks ago but it was about a week ago when the house of representatives voted on boehner's plan b which would have set the threshold at $1 million. now they're going to vote on it at $450,000. you've got to figure a lot of republicans aren't going to go along. >> what exactly happened? we're going to go over this in detail with chad who saw the play-by-play and was e-mailing us the play-by-play. mitch mcconnell called up -- bypassed senator reid who never got back to him on saturday and said can i speak to the vice president, joe biden? we're used to cutting deals together. like it or not, these are the two that hammered it out. they put it together. when it was all said and done, this is what joe biden had to say about how this deal actually came to fruition. >> what was said there was kind of hard to hear. what was your selling point? biden said: me. it's interesting, the senators, the democrats all got together late yes
is the president has been trying to govern and he spent hours and hours with speaker boehner trying to work on the so-called grand bargain, and the $4 trillion debt deal and the question on the spending cuts that would have not only tax increases but spending cuts, changes to medicare and medicaid, and potentially social security as well, and the white house says the republicans on the hill complaining of this, now, but the president was willing to do a deal like that and it was republicans like speaker boehner who walked away. >> thank you, ed. the first senate vote is expected in a couple of hours, but if it gets through the senate, we really don't know if this has any chance as passing in the house of representatives and, chad, over to you. how will the evening play out? >> well, i want do be very clear there is no plan at this point for a vote in the senate. they want to bring all their members together at some point and talk about this but they have to get over the issue of the sequester. republicans want to have some sort of spending cut. mcconnell, the minority leader in the senate t
and the senate is coming back. the house is not. house speaker john boehner staying in ohio. he says some contact, but communication is no substitute for senate action. it's all in the senate. >> juliet: all righty. log on to our web site for our after the show show because we're going to be giving you lots of gossip and secrets that you don't hear. >> kelly: really? >> juliet: yeah. >> clayton: that's news. i'll make sure i'm there. gregg: fox news alert. millions at the mercy of mother nature this morning after a massive storms slams the northeast bringing snow, rain, high winds, icy road conditions. more than 50 flights have been canceled today following the grounding of more than 1700 the day before. coming up in minutes we'll go live to anna kooiman live in scranton, pennsylvania where folks are trying to dig out from more than a foot of snow. but first, bad weather making be delaying lawmakers plans to get back to the negotiating table in washington, d.c. good morning, i'm gregg jarrett in "america's newsroom.". patti ann: freight to be with you again, gregg. i'm patti ann browne in for mar
house coming back sunday night. >> how is john boehner going to get the votes. he couldn't get the votes for his plan b. >> a week ago we were closer than we have been before. >> do they presume the voters are that dumb? >> they passed it. >> they did it noing that they are unable to make deals on anything. >> how about complete chaos? >> there ought to be a new rule in congress. >> you cannot create anymore artificial crisis. >> tim geithner wrote a letter to congress. we are going to hit the debt ceiling. it never ends. >> happy new year's america. ♪ >> 29 and a half hours that is how long congress will have to avoid going over the fiscal curve on sunday night. >> if we go over the cliff, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days left after today with the first of the year, aren't here. i can't mamg they are out wherever they r and we are here trying to get something done. >> president obama called leaders last night and tomorrow afternoon we will meet with the speaker and mix mcconnel and harry reid to see if they can avoid going off the fiscal curb on j
an hour. afterwards president obama said he was modestly optimistic. by passing house speaker john boehner who has had trouble getting his fellow republicans to agree to anything, the president called on senate majority and minority leaders harry reid and mitch mcconnell, to lay out a deal. >> if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders and the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i have asked senator reid to do this. put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up. that unemployment insurance is still available for two million people. and that lays the ground work for deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. but let's not miss this deadline. >> as for the leaders they sounded a bit more hopeful than the president. >> i think it was a very positive meeting. there was not a lot of hilarity in the meeting. everyone knows how important it is. it is a very serious meeting and it would take an extended period of time as you know, waiting for us. >> i share the view of the majority leader. we had a g
is the politics around that? >> well, john boehner, and it is important to understand that the incentive structure is different for the rank and file and back bench. if you are john boehner, you are more susceptible to the wall street pressure and the can't ter and the people who are aspiring to run for something bigger like paul ryan have a bigger ip sensitive, too. and right now, boehner wants to get re-elected speaker, and so he is trying to walk away from the deal as much as possible to not jeopardize the speakership. so he has technically thrown it to the senate. constitutionally it has to go through both houses. >> just constitutional ly. minor detail. >> and boehner is constitutionally dammed because he is getting out of it and burned too much. so if reid and mcconnell can get through the deal that is not filibustered, they have to amend a bill in the house that extends the tax cuts for everybody, and gut that bill, because it has to emerge from there, and then fill it, and hope and pray that boehner can find 30 republicans to vote for it. >> that is the story that you feel when the preside
't raise taxes and we shouldn't raise them at all but can't do more than john boehner's plan b, and didn't go to a vote. >> one for million. icle >> it would raise you billion in revenue. they were not for it in the first place but maybe get something through if obama willing to cut. obama administration said if you pass it in the house and september passed it, obama would veto it anyway. they are so far apart. this i am flying back from hawaii and see if i can bring them back together. they are far apart as they have been. >> kelly: why are they having the meeting? because of the talk and rhetoric is ramping up and the agreement is going down. i mean, for example, senate majority leader harry reid is name calling and calling john boehner a dictator . this is what he had to say. >> the american people i don't think the house representative is operating without the house of representative. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker not allowing the vast majority of the house and representatives to get what they want. >> that sounds ridiculous f. it was a dictatorship boehner
. there's only one person who is negotiating on behalf of the house and that's john boehner. and frequently he's negotiating by himself. i'll say this, it's good for us to go home to the people we work for so we can get an earful, as i have gotten over the last three or four days, whether it's the grocery store or church or wal-mart or this morning while i was running someone stopped me and gave me an earful, which i very much need. so if you are going on vacation, then, no, it's not a good thing to leave d.c. if you are going home and getting an earful from the people you are supposed to represent and work for, then i would say it's better spent coming home to district than it is staying up there and naming post offices. >> you are right about that. congressman trey. it's always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you. >> yes, ma'am, you too. >> and tonight the gun control battle is exploding. a suburban new york paper publishing the names and addresses of gun owners. who who does the interactive map really put in danger? steven joins us now. hi. great to have you tonight.
do. >>> he shouldn't have let them go. they're not here. john boehner cares more about keeping the speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> i'm frustrated because we have been asking the president and the democrats to work with us on a bipartisan agreement for months. literally for months. >> doug: late breaking news from mitch mcconnell's office. we hear all parties have been invited to a meeting at the white house tomorrow. however, we are hearing also from the senior democratic aides there is no such meeting and from boehner's people that they haven't been invited. welcome to washington. fiscal cliff negotiations as if to signify how america wants the parties to come together. starbucks barristas today are hand signing each of the coffee cup with the words "come together." anything will do at this point. bring in the panel. steve hayes for "weekly standard." a.b. stoddard, associate editor of the hill. sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. a.b., the res tent numbers-cruncher. what do you make of the back and forth today? >> today was about the dra
. mitch mcconnell has got to get on the same page as john boehner on the house 06 representatives. mcconnell is not going to walk the political bank. so a lot of variables here. the plan, all along, was for the senate to pass this thing and therefore, sort of box in the house. john boehner could present it to his gop conference, his conservatives and say, look, this is the only deal we can get. however, as you report it, it's quite clear now that technically, at least, we're going to be going over that cliff. the house, while they say they could call themselves back into session at any moment for all intense and purposes, they're gone until noon tomorrow. house leaders, their aides say tomorrow is a holiday and no one is going to feel an impact of this until later on in the week. but this is a dangerous game not only they're playing with the american economy and taxpayers, but a dangerous political game, as well. what do you know about the possibility that we could see the vice president on the hill tonight? >> if senate democrats would like the vice president to go over to the hill,
day. >>brian: why wouldn't they be. when you went to bed, john boehner served up two possibilities. one you could vote on the senate bill which passed overwhelmingly. two, the house might amend the senate bill and add a bunch of spending. he didn't have enough votes for that entree and in the end a whole bunch of republicans voted for the senate bill, although a whole bunch of republicans voted against the senate bill. it has passed. >>juliet: pretty amazing all the drama over the last 48 hours as opposed to nothing happening over the 48 years. let's take a breakdown. here's a look at how we break down the numbers. $622 billion is what we're seeing in new tax hikes, just $15 billion in spending cuts. we'll get more on that later. $1 spending cut for every $41 in tax hikes. that is pretty much what it amounts to. >>brian: the dollar in spending cuts for every $41 in tax hikes that is for the first year. in ten years it is going to be $1 worth of spending cuts for every $10 of tax hikes. for a lot of republicans, they go that is a lousy deal. >>brian: we're basically reviewing the sa
be controlled by john boehner. so you still have that divided congress. but the calculation is not, you know, a numerical one. it's the idea that if they go home -- first if they go home for christmas break, they'd feel the pressure, but it doesn't seem like that's coming. if they go over the cliff and they do mess with the debt ceiling, that people are going to get freaked and spooked because you'll start hearing stories about social security recipients facing the prospect of smaller checks from the government, unemployment insurance completely dried up, payroll tax cut is a big thing. your paycheck is going to start showing more is taken out of it for the payroll tax. and that will, in turn, cause the type of pressure on the new income in congress to get something done. it's interesting that we led off with kay bailey hutchison who's retiring, doesn't have a lot of the political pressures that others have. she said let's make a deal. her prediction, probably the right one, they're going to go home. suddenly once it passes, obama wim introduce his own package which will look like what he's
. >> reporter: congress reached this brink before christmas when speaker john boehner failed to get enough house republicans to support his solution, threw up his hands and said it's up to leader reid and the president. >> how we get there, god only knows. >> reporter: aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate spending cuts and restore unemployment benefits. >> what needs to happen now is for a sense of desperation among lawmakers to kick in and realize that if we go past january 1st with no deal, the markets are likely to decline in a significant way and alarm most americans. they don't want to have themselves blamed for that. >> reporter: meanwhile, public pressure is mounting. countdown clocks are springing up, and today starbucks asked employees to begin writing "come together" on coffee cups. now, speaker boehner has not yet called the house back into session. meanwhile, treasury secretary tim geithner told congressional leaders today that the nation has almost reached its borrowing limit. the debate over whether to increase that limit
: sources say john boehner referred to his senate colleagues and told them house leaders would consider their plan. one item raising the debt limit is not expected to be a part of any final compromise. if senate leaders fail the president wants congress to vote his plan keeping tax cuts for making $250,000 a year less, extending unemployment benefits for some 2 million people and delaying spending cuts until later this year. white house officials that top senate republican will be a key force in getting a deal after he made these comments. >> we are engaged in discussions majority leader and white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and majority leader can make to his conference. >>> among the issues to be hammered out is income level for extending president bush tax cuts. they send it on $250,000 but it sounds like $400,000 is where negotiations are heading. a leading republican senator says permanent is key giving certainty on tax rates that g.o.p. senators say a permanent solution for the alternativ
the their position right now, at least speaker boehner's is, hey, it is time for the senate to act on some of our bills. we'll keep an eye what is happening there. heather: busy day for them. president obama taking his case to the american public. here is what he had to say about the situation playing out on capitol hill. >> what's been holding us back is the dysfunction here in washington and if, you know, people start to see that on january 1st this problem still hasn't been solved, that we haven't seen the deficit reduction we could have had, the republicans been willing to take the deal i gave them, if they say, that people's taxes have gone up, which means consumer spending is going to be depressed, obviously that will adverse reaction in the markets. heather: there is lot at stake for all americans. three big issues on the financial front this morning as a matter of fact,. stu varney, host of "varney & company" on the fox business network joins us now. stu, no deal on capitol hill, not really doing their job but we're hearing they get a pay raise. >> that incredible to some people, but none
majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> house speaker john boehner oldered republicans back to the capitol for a rare sunday night session. republicans expect to vote then on whatever fiscal cliff bill the senate passes. all this one day before the deadline and the warnings of a recession that have rattled wall street and consumer confidence. >> they know it will have an anything ticket impact on the economy and they know it will have a negative impact on their families and they expect us to be here and work and we're not. >> deadlines are approaching. 2 million americans who have been out of work for more than 6 months will start losing their unemployment benefits tomorrow and the nation runs out of borrowing authority to finance or $16 trillion debt on monday. they can use extraordinary measures until they go into default. extraordinary. that might be a word that apply to then tire situation. >> major garrett, thank you very much. >>> republican bob corker of tennessee has offered proposaled to break this. senator, good morning to you. >> good morning, jef
with boehner and mcconnell and the house gop, this is what they do in negotiations. they go all the way to the end. they try to bring the white house to their knees. they get everything they want. there's this idea that, well, maybe they'll come back the next time and try to get it done ahead of schedule and we'll all sing kum baya. this really is in the hands of congress, and we saw how that played out in 2011. >> i want to bring the panel in, because i think that luke just hit on the point that i wanted to get to. i want to quickly just read you a quote from jonathan who has written a lot about these issues and requests what a lot of liberal democrats are feeling right now. what jonathan wrote why is obama caving on tacks? the discouraging thing about the fiscal cliff negotiations is not that they have gone into the eleventh hour. it's that president obama has retreated on his hard line on taxes. obama may think his conciliatory approach has helped avoid economic chaos. instead, he is courting it." i want to go right to jimmy williams because you have been a senate staffer. you unders
focused on the house, speaker boehner, plan. about, plan b falling apart. now speaker boehner is pointing towards the senate and the white house is pointing towards the senate as a place where we might get bipartisan cooperation. they think they have 10 republican votes for some kind of a plan that the president would propose that democrats in republicans in the senate could get together on and then ask speaker boehner to have a vote on it in the house. that could be a problem for speaker boehner because he could get a bill passed with that splits his republican caucus and puts in danger his re-election as speaker on january 3rd. kelly: that is a lot of talk going around in circles in washington right now. you're very optimistic something can be done but on the other hand there are several economist, juan, that predict indeed we'll go over the fiscal cliff and the inaction of congress has the potential of plunging the united states into another recession. that said, they can't afford to becoming a reality. >> so far they have been very fortunate that the markets have not reacted with pani
be a measure to require democratic support in the house which speaker boehner was not relying on then. you look at this lo the judgically, this is entirely possible to get through congress, the issue is, it is politically possible to get through congress? we don't know the answer to that. >> thank you, brianna keilar. >>> police are investigating whether nbc's david gregory violated d.c. gun laws when he displayed what he described as a 30-round magazine during a "meet the press" interview. >> here is a magazine that carries 30 bullets. isn't it possible that we got rid of ese and said you can only have a magazine that carries five bullets or ten bullets, isn't it possible we could reduce the carnage? >> i don't believe that will make one difference. >> we don't know if that was authentic or a prop, but having a large-capacity ammunition device like a magazine is illegal in washington, d.c. if it holds more than ten rounds of ammunition, whether or not it's attached to a firearm. >>> los angeles, pushing up its gun buyback, in light of the newtown massacre it was originally set for next may. in
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